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June 05, 2007

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Pretty incredible account. In some kind of perverse way, I kind of envy the experience you just want through. They really make us think.

The thing that jumped out at me was WTF is up with 911 being busy for that long?

I've had to call 911 5 or 6 times, mostly to report accidents and drunk drivers. Never ran into an on-hold situation -- especially midday during the week!

Glad you're safe and took the time to share this story.

Here are two more points to ponder when considering the “undeniable folly of guns.”

1. Almost every man in Switzerland owns a gun—some of which are fully automatic.
2. Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Our violent reality intrudes unexpectedly.

Ben: Your desire to wring personal meaning from some guy getting gut shot speaks volumes.

I don't think the problem is guns. I think the problem is that some people expect peace in this world where there should be no such expectation. These will always be surprised by violence even though it is as natural and common as peace if you look closely. I do not say this to glorify it. As long as men envy, they will do violence. Violence in words, in thoughts, in actions, etc. It's always there, most just don't notice until it's lying on the ground in front of them.

Wow, what a gripping story. Among the best blog writing I've ever read.

Someone had to pick up that gun and use it.

It was not the gun that committed that crime. It was a man, full of hate and evil. If it were not the gun, it may have been a knife or rock or hammer.

Please tell all your union carpenter friends that they'll have to use glue to construct a home. Hammers kill.

Wow, that was incredible.

A similar shooting incident happened right in front of our office building here in the Mission a couple months ago and it was, needless to say, quite traumatizing.

As a Canadian immigrating to the States here it's, I can honestly say, about the worst thing about this country: gun ownership. And there's a lot of other bad things I could mention. I got into a big discussion with my office mates about it and they had the gaul to call me a "self-righteous Canadian." My guess is that they've never witnessed an incident like this (the one who said that wasn't in the office at the time).

Amazing story well written. Its good you didn't lock up and managed to get the number.

Hi, nice to meet you, though I wish it was under different circumstances.

Good to know your instincts took over. It's an emotional post. I once had an experience that left an impact on me like that but it involved a drunk driver killing a teenage girl, who was working at a car dealer across the street from a restuarant I worked at in high scool part-time. She was working there to save up money to buy Christmas gifts.

What's worse? They never caught the guy who hit her.

She had just given me her phone number as I finally got the courage to ask her for it. It's the last thing she ever did. Over a decade later, I still grasp hopelessly at the meaning of it. I still remember it vividly, yet my mind has blocked out her name in my mind, likely as a self defense mechanism.

I wish blogs existed back then, as just sharing your story with so many starts and accelerates your mental healing process. I'm jealous.

Hi Chris,
When I met you last night in Oxford I had no idea!
Having been through some similar (but not quite so extreme events) when I was a member of the Guardian Angels (a looooong time ago!) I can sympathise with how the shock can take a while to sink in and also the constant surprise I felt when I saw some of the horrible things people could do to each other. On the flip side, along the way I also saw some amazing generosity and compassion.

Well done for getting the shooter's number plate - it may have been dangerous, but doing *something* and getting involved can count for a lot. That people cared enough to help will be a big comfort to the wounded man's family.

Cheers,
Gobion

That's a very moving situation you had to experience. Congratulations on helping catch the shooter.

as others have written, the problem is not guns, but criminals with guns.

One thing is for sure, the shooter attempted murder and he should be punished accordingly. Not sent to pshychologist or studied or whatever other preferred methods exist in today's criminal system. The death penalty or life in prison is what's needed.

Also remember that San Francisco gun ownership in San Francisco is a big issue and the belief that denying that right to its citizens will stop the very same thing you experienced is just that, an unfounded belief.

Chris, seriously, man. Great job, and not just on the writing (which is borderline brilliant). Too many people turn their heads and ignore situations such as this. Your a great person for helping out in any way you can. And since your actions lead to the capture of the shoot I'd say your a real hero. Nice work.

Wow. Well written, and I really feel the emotion. You did a great job of keeping your head and getting the critical information needed.

I can just feel your helplessness when you returned to the victim.

I commend you for your actions. Every citizen should act on the right instincts like you did. I don't agree with you posting this and exposing you and your family to potential retribution. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Good luck and god speed.

It's a shame that you had to witness such a tragedy. It's an outrage that such a thing is so common in America that, to paraphrase Stalin, it's not a tragedy but a statistic.

The heartbreaking story David relates actually provides an apt metaphor: almost everyone in America has access to a car. A few people drive drunk, but no one asks why we don't ban cars.

Some people (MADD) ask why we don't do more and more to punish drunk drivers, though this punitive approach doesn't do anything to prevent the incidence and aftermath of offenses.

Very few ask why we don't get rid of the *real* problem - drunks. This is because despite our amazing achievements as a society we have attempted to hide our abject failure at dealing with the hopelessness and emptiness that lead so many to substance abuse.

Likewise, very few on either side of the argument address the root cause of violence, which is almost exclusively driven by economic inequality. It wasn't any coincidence that violent crime dropped to its lowest levels in 40 years during the sweet years of the late 90s when labor shortages caused fast food chains to offer starting wages up to $10 an hour.

Guns do make it much easier for human beings to kill each other. But the logistics of enforcing a ban boggle the mind when the intended targets - criminals - by definition do not follow the law.

Consequently, gun control is a canard to distract an understandably angry and scared voting public from the bitter medicine they don't want to hear: people born into poorer classes, with the deck stacked against them of ever being able to get a piece of the American dream, suffering daily humiliation from TV ads, shoddy public transportation systems, explotative financing and a million other sources, wind up looking for vindication in the most petty and physical ways.

And now with mandatory minimums and three strikes laws, they increasingly end up in a jail run by a private company, doing data entry or other rote work for pennies on the dollar, while those terrified citizens barricade themselves in gated communities or retreat to distant suburbs of sprawl.

If you want to help solve the problem of violence, I suggest voting in every election (especially local ones) for candidates who are willing to put their constituents and communities over their campaign donors. Volunteer with organizations that work for inner city kids and substance abusers. Volunteering is better, but if you really can't, then donate. And last, meet your neighbors. It amazes me the amount of people who talk to their friends and family across the country but have never met the people across the hall.

Sorry for the long post, but I thought your traumatic experience deserved a thoughtful response. I sincerely hope you will consider your social and political views after this event as thoughtfully, taking care not to fall into the easy traps of "tough on crime" and "gun control" policies.

Why am I not surprised the shooter was from Vallejo? I grew up in that shithole and witnessed all kinds of violence. I left ten years ago and I haven't looked back. Solano County in general (with a couple of exceptions) is a hopeless and depressing place.

Sorry you had to witness that, and I hope the victim recovers fully.

This was an awesome post. I'm not sure what to add, except to say that you're a hero in my eyes.

I had a similar experience a few years ago. It was a little after dinner time on a summer evening. I was walking to my car with my wife in the parking lot of an enormous mall in California.

The sound was different from yours, the sound of a baseball bat hitting a melon. Arguing over a parking space a middle-aged man and shoved a elderly gentlemen to the ground. His head hitting the pavement.

The attacker lept in his car and escaped. The victim never woke up. I chased the car on foot, but couldn't get the plate. It hurts my heart to this day.

I hope you will find some relief in knowing you helped. And I hope you and your family are safe. And I hope that the victim survives. And I hope you find healing for the fear that erupted in front of you in that moment.

Gripping stuff. You prove yourself not only to be a heroic person (I can already hear your vehement denial, but that does not make the title less true) and a wonderful narrator.

I was dismayed to see how many people chose to focus not on your experience or on the events but on the issue of gun control. Aside from a woman's right to choose, there is no more emotional topic in American socio-politics. In my experience, few if any gun advocates have actually seen someone shot with a gun or shot someone themselves. I have. I'm on your side.

Hope you enjoy your stay in Europe.

Good reflexes... thank you for what you did. It's hard to think in a situation like that, but you did the appropriate thing... telling.

More info:
"The man accused of shooting a pedestrian who was crossing a San Francisco street Monday afternoon is a convicted bank robber who drove into the city to commit a random crime against a stranger, San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said today."
http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2007/06/05/n/HeadlineNews/SF-SHOOTING/resources_bcn_html

That's why I find your plaint on "gun control" so dangerous. This felon was not legally permitted to have a gun. Yet he did.

Me, I have no interest in carrying a firearm myself, but I'd feel *much* safer if more legit citizens did so. It would reduce the incentives for evil people to abuse such "equalizers".

I'd beg you to reconsider your position. Our goal is to reduce harm, so it's vital to carefully examine the best way to prevent it. Remove the incentives for criminals to pack, and to attack. Return to citizens their equalizing power.

jd

Chris I know you're a super bright guy so I wouldn't discount your opinion without consideration, but making judgements about the importance of the people's right to keep and bear arms in a moment of tragedy is not a good idea. It's always in moments of crisis (e.g., 911) that people are most apt to giving up their liberties for simply-stated specious solutions (have the government spy on us, or have the government collect up all our guns).

Not only is a ban on guns as futile as The War on Drugs or the Prohibition (see the 18th amendment and the consequent 21st amendment), but the real danger humanity faces is from a people unable to defend themselves against an all-powerful government. The gulf of time that separates us from the last government sanctioned genocide is not an ocean. It's barely a pond.

The founding fathers had it right when they said the right to bear arms is necessary to the preservation of a free state.

I'm sorry you had to witness a tragedy and I applaud your courage in helping catch the criminal.

Good job in keeping cool! I know you've been in some wild situations before so your instincts are well honed.

I grew up in a gang-ridden city and used to run when I heard bullets as a kid. As an adult I once saw a massive gunfight in the Mission between two gangs- I was working in a high end music studio, the one where Herbie Hancock did most of his work, and was on the 2nd floor when it started...Not sure what happened to those who got shot- I think their follow gang members hauled them away.

But as far as gun control goes- maybe if we spent hundreds of billions of dollars on education, R&D, and health care instead of on wars with no exit strategy we'd find that these types of problems decrease...

Bravo.

Amazing story. This happened right outside of the office of the web development company I contact for. Makes it more real when you have something physical to tie the event to.

I have to strongly agree with the comments about gun control, however. The blame should never be shifted away from the people to the guns. The guns are not what commits the crime.

Intense - just another day in the life for Chris Sacca. I hope the accused individual is not part of the Marlo Stanfield crew.

Guns - Perhaps one day I'll be insecure enough to carry a gun---but for now, I'm just gonna relax and go about my way.

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